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Post by Guest on Aug 5, 2009 15:09:24 GMT -5
Speculation in the fur board. It has gotten me thinking we need to really get the issue of us keeping our fur front and center or we will receive the back lash at the end of the upcoming season.
The department needs to address this issue now not latter as this is extremely important to trappers and coon hunters now. And at the end of the season. I can see issue's arising before the season even arrives.
What can we do to get this on the docket with the MDC now!!!!!!!
This issue is standing out like a soar thumb to me. And needs to be addressed!
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Post by Guest on Aug 5, 2009 20:21:01 GMT -5
I"m IN Tony you find the # to call I will call
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Post by Guest on Aug 5, 2009 22:54:12 GMT -5
I dont have a clue who to start with on this!
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Post by mmaxwell on Aug 7, 2009 21:38:21 GMT -5
This is something I have putting a lot of thought into myself.
My first question is what is the purpose of the must sell by rule?
So no one can continue to trap after the season and claim it is fur caught during season.
Is it something fur buyers put in place to force a lot of fur into the market at a set time to effect price to their favor???
I have not being doing this long enough to know these answers or where to go from here.
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Post by Guest on Aug 7, 2009 23:11:14 GMT -5
They had a lot to do with the limit on holding the fur. The reason ive been told was they could have all the fur taken in by that time. That way they wouldnt have to buy fur latter on. And they could take there time to finish everything up. Selfish yes does it do the trappers harm yes.
We are forced to sell just after season. Now if we were able to hold our fur then we could sell our fur after some of the latter spring sales for more money. Or less but that would be our choice. If the fur was selling bad at the end of season we would have no choice but to sell. Meaning we wouldnt have a chance to sell it if the price came up after the departments sale by date.
This couldn't be more wrong. The department knows this we know this. So why hasnt it been changed. I dont think i need to answer that as we all know why!
This is a serious problem that needs to be adressed. So we the trapper get the benefit from selling when we feel its the right time. We are being constrained by things we shouldnt be. And thats flat wrong!!!!!!!
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Post by hackworth on Aug 8, 2009 20:12:18 GMT -5
Tony,
Can you think of a single law-abiding trapper who wouldn't be happy to fill out an MDC survey at the end of the season as to what, where, when, and how many animals they took. I can't think of one. If the MDC wants to know what's being taken, that would be a better option than using the auctions as a guage. We keep OUR furs and they get more reliable info. The only ones that lose out maybe the fur buyers.
Mmaxwel,
It's my understanding, that at one of the MDC meetings in the last couple years, it was brought up by some missouri fur buyers that the trappers of this state not be allowed to sell fur outside its borders. Talk about owning a market. Others know more about this than I do.
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Post by mmaxwell on Aug 8, 2009 22:35:44 GMT -5
You may be on to something there. I have been checking some other states regulations for trapping and some other states do require trappers to document their seasons catch at the close of the season, but these states still also have a required sell by date.
If the sell by date was ended in Missouri, in addition to a season total being documented to the MDC we may need to document the total of fur we are holding at a certain date and possibly a notice to the MDC again when it is finally sold.
Personally this is more than I would prefer to do but I would if it would help to end the sell by requirement.
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Post by trapperw3 on Aug 9, 2009 9:53:45 GMT -5
i think the place to start would be with JEFF BERINGER he is the MDC fur biologist you can e-mail him at jeff.beringer@mdc.mo.gov with the fur buyers having such a big say in the fur season i think we will have a hard time getting this done.
paul
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Post by trapper5962 on Aug 9, 2009 18:58:11 GMT -5
The trapper is still just like the farmer,We have to buy everything retail and sell all our goods wholesale. Is the only two industries that i know of that works this way.
There will also have to be a speaker go to the rules and regs. meeting to present the said change to the board.
Brian
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Post by robertw on Aug 9, 2009 21:38:31 GMT -5
Guys,
This subject is pretty complicated and will take more time than I have right now to explain.
"IF" your serious about making these changes I would be happy to help guide you through the process. Please understand that the MTA currently supports these regulations and I have to act on behalf of the MTA (right or wrong) regardless of my personal opinion concerning these issues.
ONE of the biggest reasons that there is time of limit (there are multiple reasons) for selling our fur has to do with how the MDC collects their harvest data. The system is seriously flawed when the market is depressed and only reflects the number of pelts that "HAVE MARKET VALUE". When the market is depressed, lots of pelts have little or no market value....this coming season (hypothetically) no coon under 30" will count since it has no value.
One thing that you might do would be to start a petition collecting signatures in support of changing these regulations with an example of what you want the regulations to read and alternative idea on how the MDC could collect this harvest data.
Then, I would suggest after you have collected how ever many signatures you can get you approach the MTA and ask for their support (plus you will gain signatures at the MTA meeting)....you don't need the MTA's support but....at least you publicly demonstrated that you are trying to work together.
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Post by bigfoot on Aug 9, 2009 22:08:05 GMT -5
didn't kansas pass this
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Post by evertrap on Aug 9, 2009 22:59:49 GMT -5
This law change is really important now, and fast. Here is what I emailed to Beringer: Jeff.Beringer@mdc.mo.govJeff Beringer, Missouri trappers are getting together to petition the MDC for the right to keep their dried and frozen pelts for as long as they want. The bottom has fallen out of the market, and there isn't any recovery in sight. We're going to loose a lot of trappers if something isn't changed quickly, which would mean an explosion in predators. Their solution to the harvest number data collection is a simple postcard or online season report by each trapper. Since there aren't very many of us, this would be very cost effective and easy to do for the MDC. We'd appreciate this rule change that would make our lives a whole lot easier and keep us out in the field doing the good work. Thanks for your consideration. Linda Everhart |
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Post by robertw on Aug 9, 2009 23:08:45 GMT -5
Linda,
Your email is nicely written however....you have "friends" on another site that will raise holy heck about this as the "Missouri Trappers Association" currently supports the current regulations.
Welcome to the "Bulls-Eye" club.
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Post by midmotrapper on Aug 9, 2009 23:17:51 GMT -5
I'll help make the "Bulls Eye" a little bigger, as I am 100% behind you Linda! I also intend to inform all the coon hunters, fox hunters, and coyote hunters up here about the petition in the works. The MTA has to realize that it's not only trappers that take fur.. With that being said, it will be a huge mix of fur takers, not just trappers. I know several large land owners that would be more than happy sign a petition to help keep us around for getting nuisance critters off their ground
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Post by evertrap on Aug 9, 2009 23:44:32 GMT -5
I'm used to raising holy heck, and not concerned. If enough ask for it, and arguments against it have no foundation or reason, it just might happen. Midmo is right to stir up the coon and predator hunters also. I don't know the numbers, but there may be more of them than us. If you want something from your employees ... demand it.
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Post by hackworth on Aug 10, 2009 0:12:01 GMT -5
Bob and I have talked tonight about the petition. Believe me when I tell you that this guy is more than capable of getting thousands of signatures on a piece of paper. And not fake names either. Plans are being laid and this petition will be in front of and signed by thousands of people before he is done. Way more than the supposed 600 it takes to get the MDC's attention. Be very glad that Midmo is on our side. Huge asset. Thanks Bob!
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Post by Guest on Aug 10, 2009 0:23:37 GMT -5
Well i dont give a flying hoot about who supports it or not i just know its flat wrong for a trapper not to be able to own his/her fur PERIOD!!!!!! I raise a stink if need be. I seem to be good at that. But this issue is front and center for a reason. And it needs some action. Bob and Linda i will be right beside you at the firing squad. LOL
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Post by pete on Aug 10, 2009 13:17:57 GMT -5
I think you all are doing the right thing I am lucky that we dont have a sale date, i held a lot of fur over from last year. KEEP ON THEM MORE PEOPLE THE BETTER.
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Post by ozarkmountainman on Aug 13, 2009 11:42:50 GMT -5
Linda's used to that Bull's Eye. She can handle it better than many of us.
Good posts, folks.
Dale
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Post by WilliamBevels on Aug 14, 2009 10:01:45 GMT -5
alabama is one of the states were we must send in a list of fur bearers,the numbers caught,we must also include what we pick up as road kill. we can keep the fur as long as we want under two conditions ,one the state has the right to inspect the furs and it's location with a proper notice and 2 we let the state know when we sale and who we sold to.
now if we keepand tan then all we do is fill out the form and thats it.
if it can work here it can work there.
call this guy yes hes in alabama but he can tell you how to get it in the works and heck maybe the two states can get togather and work it out.like i said it works very well here
call
Mike Sievering
205-339-5716
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