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Post by ozarkmountainman on Jan 6, 2012 13:40:44 GMT -5
Hmmm. What's the first?
Dale
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Post by Willie Mallard on Jan 6, 2012 13:52:36 GMT -5
cant say kid's are around
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Post by nemoparttimer on Jan 9, 2012 19:57:51 GMT -5
I would have no problem with mandatory training if, in exchange, they would loosen up some of the regs such as allowing non-baited 7x7 conibears or at least 6x6 on land.
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Post by Guest on Jan 12, 2012 13:45:29 GMT -5
Instead of a new law why not just put pressure on it to be covered in the already mandatory hunter safety course. I see no harm in a part of that class covering rules and regulations as well as a short how to on releasing a hunting dog or pet safely.
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Post by pemiscotpelter on Jan 12, 2012 14:33:41 GMT -5
I am also new to trapping, i try and obey the rules if i have broken any then i am un-aware. Trust me if you do the wrong thing you will know its called a conscious, everyone has one some people dont care yes, but thats with everything. Hunting, fishing, and yes trapping. We need to do our duty to inform someone if they are wrong. Who knows maby they didnt know. If they did and you see them in the act again report them. I would personally love someone that is a pro. trapper to show me the ropes. My friend Jery is an older gentle man and he helps me by what he has been taught. Thanks for everyone that has helped me on this website, yes i have said things on here i shouldnt and i appoligize. dh pointed out a post i made and i took it off immediatly, instead of getting upset or mad i just went with it. Some people make mistakes its in our nature. I agree everyone needs to know all the rules before they do ANY! sport , there are exceptions. So lets just inform them , instead of go down their throat. I love trapping almost as much as turkey hunting and i want to learn so much more about this sport. I know I may have broke a rule, that were un intentional only because i was unimformed. Thanks again guys yall really do help but yes i agree if someone is doing something big time wrong turn them in. Let the C.O take over from there..
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Post by pemiscotpelter on Jan 12, 2012 14:45:30 GMT -5
I have read the rule book cover to cover, and yes i obey them the best i can but like i said noone is perfect haha. Thanks for all the helps fellas and ladies.
;D
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Post by basetiger on May 11, 2012 10:41:42 GMT -5
I am new to trapping and i would pay to go get a class on trapping regs and methods. With that I do not agree with it being mandatory from the state or the fed. I was born and raised in the U.S. I served 4 years in the Army as did my Father uncles and Grandfather and great Grandfather. I obey all laws never had any trouble we live here on the farm work outside the farm to come home and work the farm. It is getting harder and harder for small farmers to keep operating because of all the government regs. I feed a lot of deer and turkeys every year outta the fields. I don't see mo con. or the feds paying me for feeding their live stock So if I am maintaining them if I want to hunt them it is my right. The same with Trapping it goes way back in my family it is my heritage. We do not need more law. that's my two cents. But if MTA or NTA would offer a class not forcing I would love to attend.
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Post by southernstyle88 on May 11, 2012 17:36:10 GMT -5
Instead of a new law why not just put pressure on it to be covered in the already mandatory hunter safety course. I see no harm in a part of that class covering rules and regulations as well as a short how to on releasing a hunting dog or pet safely. x2 
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Post by ozarkmountainman on May 11, 2012 22:16:47 GMT -5
We'll be talking more at our clinics about dispatching animals, and the releasing of non-targets this year. Hope ya'll can come to one or two of them.
Dale
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Post by krank on May 12, 2012 13:55:49 GMT -5
Dale-What clinics?
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Post by krank on May 12, 2012 14:07:09 GMT -5
Well 71 posts later , this has been cussed and discussed. I got a bad attitude. You guys are on the up and up and will do the honorable thing. Poachers are poachers and will always give us a bad name. They wont do the right thing. I dont think the State or any organization is hot to get such a program underway. If a training did pass into the law then it would keep honest people honest. Bubba and Newt would still be out there nailing traps to trees and catching and killing anything they could. Kinda like car insurance......Its a law but the scum bags drive without insurance. If an honest man is pulled over without his card then they get all upset and call for back-up. Sure as the world, everybody that hits you is a scumbag and never has insurance and take no heat. Oh well...
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Post by bigjohn on May 12, 2012 15:42:17 GMT -5
Krank,this was brought up for discussion,mainly to take care of the "grey areas" so many talk about in the Mo. regs.Now for myself,I don't see the areas some of the guys complain about.I mean,we explained to regs on conibears umpteen times,yet someone would then ask a question that had just been explained.Questions like,"can I set conibears 6 feet off the ground in a tree".Nowhere in the regs is there anything to lead one to think they can,but yet the question gets asked dozens of times.Same way with the jaw spread issue.People ask about the 220s in bucket sets on dryland because the read about it in FF&G or on the trapperman site.Some people simply don't take the time to read the regs. Your right about the poachers being poachers,but lots of newbies getting into trapping and don't have a clue.It would be a shame to lose trapping tools such as conibears,snares,or CRs because someone didn't read the regs and killed a hunters dog or someones pet.With fur prices on the increase,more folks chasing fur means more problems unless properly mentored or trained.I didn't much care for setting thru a CR class,but if it meant being able to use them,then it was worth it.
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Post by krank on May 12, 2012 15:58:30 GMT -5
I really do think that the MDOC needs to do a better job of wording the code in terms of the conibears. It is worded strangley and you have to read it over a couple times
(3) Use of Conibear or Other Killing-Type Traps. (A) No Conibear or other killing-type traps with a jaw spread greater than five inches (5") shall be used in any dry land set. (B) Conibear or other killing-type traps with a jaw spread not greater than eight inches (8") may be set six feet (6') or more above ground level in buildings. (C) Conibear or other killing-type traps of any size may be set under water.
Not real public friendly.........
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Post by redeagle on May 12, 2012 19:29:42 GMT -5
The C.O.s don't always understand the regulations! I've asked them questions about trapping and fur marketing before, and they don't have a clue of what to tell me. They had to research it and try to find the answer. Oftentimes, the "answer" is nebulous and open to interpretation. For example, I asked an instructor at the cable restraint training class I took a few years back if it was ok to fasten the swivel end of the cable to an overhead limb of a nearby tree instead of anchoring it in the ground, if it was not possible for the captured animal to get entangled in nearby vegetation. He didn't know. Another time, I asked about using cables for capturing animals after the regular trapping season, because that is the way the code book at the time could have been interpreted. The agent had to research it and discovered that the booklet I was referring to did indeed say just that, but was outdated and had been superceded by a more recent publication in that very same year. Be aware that those code books are periodically updated without the public being aware of the changes. What may be legal in March could very well be illegal in July, without you being aware of the changes. You could be following the regs of an obsolete booklet, only to discover the hard way that the book's information is out of date and you are in violation of the most recent interpretation of a law! I said all that to summarize and say that you need to make sure you have the MOST up to date code book and check with YOUR agent before you set traps. Different agents can interpret the code in different ways and one could say you're in violation while another will say you are perfectly legal. When you end up in court for a code violation, the judge won't care what an out of date booklet says, he will go by what the MOST RECENT code book reads.
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Post by imadoebuster on May 13, 2012 18:57:24 GMT -5
I read and re-read the trapping regs before I ever set a single trap out my first season and I only had 2 traps, I also carry a regs book with me at all times when I am trapping. I have the new regs book for this year already and it has been read and will be re-read more times before this up and coming trapping season as well. I know there is no answer to this that will make EVERYONE happy
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Post by supertrap on May 13, 2012 19:27:17 GMT -5
SO WAT....First time I set a trap--it was for coon I thought I knew Wat i was doing In fact I defiantly knew Wat I was doing Trying to trap a coon... no license no trap tags. At 10 yrs of age wasn't hertin much. LET KIDS BE KIDS. Enough this cganging your mind business It don't work !!! Enough said about this band wagon,
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Post by krank on May 13, 2012 19:51:49 GMT -5
SO WAT....First time I set a trap--it was for coon I thought I knew Wat i was doing In fact I defiantly knew Wat I was doing Trying to trap a coon... no license no trap tags. At 10 yrs of age wasn't hertin much. LET KIDS BE KIDS. Enough this cganging your mind business It don't work !!! Enough said about this band wagon, Supertrap- Don't hold back-tell us what you really think.....
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Post by bigjohn on May 13, 2012 23:32:11 GMT -5
Willie,the people nowdays are a lot different than when you were 10 years old.Back then almost every country boy ran a few traps.Nowdays,lots of people don't even know trapping is allowed or know anyone that traps.Lots more people living in the country and most have a different attitude than those of us that grew up around hunting and trapping for fur.Like it or not,these same people have a bearing on how trapping is preceived.Heck,even some people that hunt deer and such have no idea of our trapping pursuits.Lots of times when these hunters come across traps ,while hunting,they think they've discovered someones attemp to poach by using traps. A mandatory class would also give trapping more exposure to the general public and maybe more exceptence with some.Clinics like those given by Dale and other districts of the MTA have shown that there is an interest with newbies to want to learn.Also by having to take a class before getting a license would show that a person that commits a violation such as making a unlawfull set,is a poacher and not a sportsman,thus justifing the lose of trapping priviledges.That in itself will help enforcing the rules.
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Post by krank on May 15, 2012 19:27:28 GMT -5
SO WAT....First time I set a trap--it was for coon I thought I knew Wat i was doing In fact I defiantly knew Wat I was doing Trying to trap a coon... no license no trap tags. At 10 yrs of age wasn't hertin much. LET KIDS BE KIDS. Enough this cganging your mind business It don't work !!! Enough said about this band wagon, Here is Willie at age ten. No license, no hunter safety card, no SS#.......truly an outlaw..... Attachments:
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